After all a disaster is a cause for celebration because it is a sign the GT will start soon and a good opportunity to witness to survivors who are more susceptible to indoctrination after the horror they have experienced! I saw the same thing after the earthquake in Japan in March 2011.
Frazzled UBM
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Emergency relief fund for the Philippines. How will it work.
by joe134cd ini was just thinking it will be interesting to see how the wts emergency relief fund will operate in the philippines.
ok it worked well with the storm in florida, with cashing in on the insurance cheques.
sorry to generalize, but americans have the disposable income, and the insurance polices for things like this - a thing the wtbts finds very attractive.
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Since leaving the truth, do you celebrate holidays, and does your participation in such bring you happiness?
by Stand for Pure Worship ini ask this respectfully, and do so after watching a favorite show of mine's season opener which had a new years storyline.
hollywood tends to make movies and television show episodes centered around holiday themes appear warm and blissful.
while i'm thankful to have never participated in such holidays, i can't deny my curiosity about ex-jws that do celebrate.
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Frazzled UBM
Also never a JW so I think the WBTS prohibition on normal celebrations is designed to enforce separateness and a bizarre sense of superiority. I love family celebrations so this dictate from the organisation and the stupidity of the rationalisation for it really pisses me off as I am a victim because I can't share this stuff with the person I love. So I go overboard with my son to compensate (Halloween, Xmas (a big tree with decorations lights etc., birthdays etc.) and I make sure I get my wife to participate in a way she can rationalise as okay and she also finds ways around it. My son and I gave her birthday cards and when she was happy to receive them I conspired to send her flowers for her birthday as well which she really liked and then I took her to dinner and a show on the evening of her birthday. So she is making good progress. She just got me a nice 'anniversay'present in anticipation of my birthday and I have organised a big family Xmas dinner on 21 December with my extended family here which she will come to and will probably enjoy. I learnt from last year that if I don't wrap a Xmas present and give it to her when noone is looking on the day she is happy. Bottom line - she really enjoys all this stuff but just needs it done in a way she can rationalise as okay.
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Many JWs are chaste or virtuous homosexuals and "in good standing"
by Rufus T. Firefly in[it gets under my skin when people post that a jw was df'd for being homosexual.
if one ever was df'd simply for being homosexual, one would have ample grounds for a lawsuit.
the comments in brackets are mine.].
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I agree with Lisa Rose - to say people with homsexual desires are okay provided they don't act on those desires (and the correlation with fornication is also unfair given according to the WBTS homosexuals can never marry each other) is cruel and ridiculous and a recipe for guilt. So to my mind the distinction RTF is making is entirely spurious and one that only someone with a Witness background would concern themselves with.
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Unstop - you need to play hardball with your wfie about your son's exposure to WBTS indoctrination (play the headship card) - don't let her read the Bible stories book with him (the stories are designed to embed themselves in his sub-conscous as phobias to be sued by the WBTS as beingt he only safe haven from those phobias - children accept this stuff unquestioningly). I believe teacing that material as fact is a form of child abuse. Don't let her take him and come up with some smart messages to get him to understand the problems - let him see how they treat you for having a different view from them and explain that if he gets baptized but then changes his mind then his mum and her family will stop talking to him. Make protecting your son your biggest priority. I have stopped my wife from indoctirnating my son and have managed to deprogram him (he is 7 now but was exposed from age 3 unitl age 6 - the most powerful weapon I had was to tap inot his observatiosn of the treatment my wife got when she was d'fed before she was reinstated to tell him 'they are very nice to you now to try to get you to become like them but if you don't agree with them or don't obey their very strict rules they can be very mean - look ho whtey treated Mummy' ) but he still has a phobia of churches. Good luck and congrats on your new found freedom. others here ahve learnt the lesson of compromising on allowing thier JW spouse to take their kids to the Hall etc. when the kid gets baptized without the non-JW parent's knowledge or consent Frazzled
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Sadly, fading is bad for my marriage
by stillin inwhile headship has always been a problem in my marriage, partly because i'm more of a team player and my wife has man issues, now that i'm clearly fading my wife feels that i have nothing of worth to say.. i resist the idea of divorce but this is not much of a marriage.
since she doesn't/ can't hold down a job alimony would be ridiculously expensive.
cheaper to keep her, as they say.. i get zero cooperation or even discussion for any adjustments i feel might be in order for us as we grow older: obabmacare?
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I agree with t eh advice re money. I control my bank account and restrict how much money I give my wife on the grounds I don't want her wasting it on WBTS propaganda - I ma very clear that I will not provide financial suppoirt to the organisation that has mislead and manipulated her (m&m'ed her, as I put it). As a consequence she got herself a job and funds her own religious activites and spending on clothes - though luckily she is a true Witness in this sense and is not a consumerist, as she shops for clothes in thrift shops, which means I do buy her nice clothes every now and then so she has something nice to wear when we go out together. Also my opposer status hasn't affected our love life - quite the opposite, in some bizarre way it seems to have enhanced it.
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"What exactly is his world view? from Cofty I see nothing but, anti-life, anti-love, anti-hope"
by cofty invillagegirl's question on another thread was probably supposed to be rhetorical but i want to respond to it.. many times people of faith express similar misapprehensions about those who don't share their views on eternity.. i want this to be a positive thread.
an opportunity for atheists to share what moves and inspires them.
what do you live for, what gives your life meaning and purpose?
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I think being an atheist makes you embrace life because you realise that this is all you get and so you should make the most of it - love, kids, friends, family, travel, food, wine, sport, living in different countries and experiencing their cultures (I have lived in 7 countries (each one for at least 2 years) on 5 continents and have learnt 4 other languages) and having an interesting and varied career.
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How many JWs are genuinely in "good standing"?
by slimboyfat inan interesting question arose from my earlier thread:.
we all know that many jws do stuff that would get them disfellowshipped, but never get caught.
but how many jws do you think there really are who have never kept any disfellowshipping "offense" secret?
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So SBF - now you are returning to the fold, will you confess your 8 dfing offences to cleanse your soul? It might be a matter of in and straight back out for you.
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Is reading literature a no-no?
by Frazzled UBM inmy wife doesn't read literature.
i think it is such a shame because reading is one of the joys of life so i have been encouraging her but am meeting resistance.
is there a general prohibition on reading 'wordly' books?
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My wife doesn't read literature. I think it is such a shame because reading is one of the joys of life so I have been encouraging her but am meeting resistance. Is there a general prohibition on reading 'wordly' books?
I pointed out to her that authoritarian regimes are threatened by books and knowledge which why teh Nazis burned books and the Khmer Rouge interned anyone wearing glasses. She didn't lioke me telling her this so I figured I was on to something. Any suggestions about how to gently persuade her to start reading?
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Stands For True Worship. I am turning myself in......
by DATA-DOG injust answer this question in an honest and unbiased way, free from any circuitous reasoning or speculation.
if you do so, i swear to my heavenly father, that i will call the elders tonight and turn myself in.
any active jw may answer this question.
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BTS - Data-dog - all credit for putting this question to SFPW and exposing him for the BS merchant he is.
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Stands For True Worship. I am turning myself in......
by DATA-DOG injust answer this question in an honest and unbiased way, free from any circuitous reasoning or speculation.
if you do so, i swear to my heavenly father, that i will call the elders tonight and turn myself in.
any active jw may answer this question.
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SFPW - that was pathetic - I expected more. You apparently believe that God's truth is relative - as the WBTS is Jehovah's mouthpeice and their understanding of the waht tis the Truth has changed over time. So even though the Bible was written 200 years ago and as Jehovah's word is absolutely unquestionably true and has not changed - the spirit-directed understandings of the WBTS, which are presented as absolutely true such that anyone who does not accept them is an apostate, they are in fact only relatively true, if such a concept exists, and change every few years. I am afraid it is impossible to square this circle and you need to recognise that and become an Apostate!